Sunday, August 12, 2007

My brain hurts (0)  

The zany (née: f'd up) antics of the current administration can't get any crazier...I hope. But a 1994 interview with Dick Cheney on invading Iraq really puts things into perspective. Or not. I can't tell any more.

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Wednesday, August 08, 2007

Iggy's Apology (0)  

Just read this past weekend's NYT Magazine and what do I see? Iggy's mea culpa, "Getting Iraq Wrong"; or "my bad," as we say around the playground. I read it, then read it again, and I didn't know quite what to feel. It felt like an non-apology in the way only Iggy can do, but I wasn't willing to go through it again like I did for "If Torture Works..." (and "Lesser Evils").

Fortunately, Ram linked to David Rees' piece (ahem...),Cormac Ignatieff's "The Road", that did the heavy lifting for me (bless you internets). (note: you shouldn't read this "cyber-essay" until you actually read Iggy's first).

I just loved this part:
In conclusion, this part of Ignatieff's essay should have been called "All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten-- But It Didn't Actually Sink in Until Thousands and Thousands of Iraqis Went to Heaven."

And this:
"We might test judgment by asking, on the issue of Iraq, who best anticipated how events turned out. But many of those who correctly anticipated catastrophe did so not by exercising judgment but by indulging in ideology. They opposed the invasion because they believed the president was only after the oil or because they believed America is always and in every situation wrong."
[...] You anti-war people have got to admit, Ignatieff has you nailed. You dumb-asses who were right about everything for the wrong reasons, instead of wrong about everything for the right reasons. You lose.

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Saturday, December 02, 2006

Phew (5)  

So Cherniak called it. I'm surprised Kennedy was able to do so well on the first and second ballots. Hopefully he'll take some extra French lessons so he can run in a decade. By switching after the second ballot I'm sure he'll be taking a senior position in the future Dion cabinet. It'll be interesting to see how it all turns out.

I wonder when Iggy's gonna go back to Boston?

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KevyKev said...

- sigh -

I guess we can all breathe a little easier now that good has triumphed over evil once and for all. Edit  

horn said...

That's precisely why I left the last line in...I hadn't heard from you in a while Kev :)

I don't think it's a matter of good vs. evil. I'm really against that kind of binary thinking.

But Iggy made a terrible mistake in supporting the war in Iraq. Forgiveable perhaps, but not forgettable. I'd never want Canada to be run by someone who could make such a gross error in judgment. And fortunately, ~55% of Lib delegates agreed. Edit  

Joe Blarnystone said...

I was glad he didn't get the nod either. I'm not sure which Canidate I liked the best, but I think Dion is as good a choice as any. I think this fear he can't get votes out West or in Quebec is probably unfounded. I suspect people who won't vote for him wouldn't have voted for any of the other candidates. He may also steal NDP support, he seems like such a left-leaning sort of dude with all his talk of the environment. Edit  

KevyKev said...

JB, I tend to agree with you. He's as good a candidate as anyone else. I still respect Iggy and hope he sticks it out in politics for a little while though. That respect will be lost if he resigns and flees the country.

Incidentally, I heard that Montreal was a great place to be last weekend. Edit  

horn said...

Actually, (note: this'll likely be the one and only time you'll hear me come out in defence of Iggy), I'm pretty confident he'll stick around.

And I actually think he'd be a good voice within the party, what with the academia and all. He's different, might even be good cabinet material. Just not foreign affairs. Edit  

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Can't Study (0)  

Not until the results are in.

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Sunday, November 05, 2006

November Surprise (0)  

Well, there it is. No they didn't capture Bin Laden. But Saddam has been sentenced to death. Everyone to the e-voting machines and let's get this democracy underway.

update nov 6 @ 8pm: Talking Points Memo gives a bit more insight into the "November Surprise"
The full verdict, a document of several hundred pages, explaining how and why today’s judgment was reached was not released. U.S. officials said it should be ready by Thursday. So why issue the verdict today? U.S. court advisors told reporters today it was delayed mainly for technical reasons. All insist the verdict was not politically timed and that it was an Iraqi decision; there is no reason to doubt their word.
Nope, no reason at all.

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Friday, November 03, 2006

Boycott? (0)  

An internal ABC Radio Networks memo [...] indicates that nearly 100 ABC advertisers insist that their commercials be blacked out on Air America Radio affiliates. According to the memo, the advertisers insist that "NONE of their commercials air during AIR AMERICA programming."


Josh Silver over at the Huffington Post explains why this is a bad thing:

All or most of these firms advertise on politically conservative talk radio programs and/or stations. And the crime isn't even being "liberal." Some of these advertisers have moderate or liberal executives who donate to Democratic candidates and are far from rabid conservatives.

So what is the problem? While "liberal" Air America clearly favors big D Democrats, unlike virtually all other programming on commercial radio and television, it gives airtime to reports that are critical of corporations and the powerful politicians they keep in Washington.

This is the heart of the problem: Air America commits a crime called journalism. Almost none of the so-called conservative radio shows or networks do any semblance of actual reporting. They merely pontificate -- repeating talking points that seem to be emailed straight from Karl Rove's laptop.

Air America does its share of pontificating as well, and we leave it to others to compare its integrity to that of Limbaugh and Hannity. But we can say that Air America journalism occasionally focuses on corporate malfeasance. It examines closely the deeply corrupt relationship between corporate power and government officials.


This is the list of companies, transcribed by Specious Reasoning. The problem is, how do you even start to boycott when it involves the computer you use every day [Microsoft...okay fine, I can switch], the food you eat every day [Kraft Foods (all brands)], or everything else consumed in the world [GE]. I think it might be more productive to write these companies and express your dissatisfaction. I've highlighted the ones that could affect me:
Allstate
American Heart Association
-unknown-
Avon
Bank of America
Bayer (All Products)
BMW Motorcycles
Chattem – Gold Bond Foot Powder
Chattem - Capzasin-HP
Chattem - Phisoderm
Chattem - Selsun Salon Shampoo
Cigna
Cingular
Clorox
-unknown-
Coly
Dear’s Morningstar Foods
-unknown-
Denny’s
Discovery Channel
e-harmony.com
Epson
Expedia.com
Exxon Mobil
Farmers Insurance
FedEx
Foot Action
Frito-Lay
GE
Gillette Venus Razor
Good Year
Heinekin / Amstel Light
Hershey’s
Hewlett Packard
Home Depot
Hormel
Interstate Batteries
JC Penney
Johnson & Johnson
Kohl’s
Kraft Foods
Levi’s
Masterfood USA
McDonald’s
Merial – Frontline
MGM
Michelin
Microsoft
Morningstar
National Cattlemen's Beef
Nestle
Nissan
NYSE
Office Depot
Outdoor Life Network
P&G – Bounty
P&G – Charmin
P&G – Fabreeze

P&G – Ima’s Dog and Cat Food
P&G – Pepto Bismol
-unknown-
Pepsi
-unknown-
Pier 1 Imports
Red Lobster
ReMax
REX Sporting Goods
Rent-way
Robert Haft
Schering-Plough
Sherman Williams
Sony
State Farm
Toys R’ Us
Travelocity.com
True Value
United Healthcare
US Navy
USPS
Visa
Walgreens
Wal-mart
Welch’s
Wrigley

-unknown-


I realize the Canadian arms of these companies may not share the same values so it'll be interesting to see what their response will be, if any.

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Wednesday, November 01, 2006

Kerry's Response to GOP Attacks (0)  

“If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I’m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have.

The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor.

Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they’re afraid to debate real men. And this time it won’t work because we’re going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq.”

- via funkaoshi

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Saturday, October 28, 2006

Anchored Numbers (0)  


[A]nchoring — when you don't know the answer to something, whatever starting point you have plays a powerful role in determining what you think is the right answer.

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A Johns Hopkins study published in a respected peer-reviewed journal finds the number of Iraqis killed as a consequence of the 2003 invasion to be about 650,000.

Critics immediately get up in arms; U.S. President George W. Bush declares the result "not credible."

Although the debate over the study has been largely driven by the political implications of the number of Iraqi casualties, psychologists say the fact that many Americans find the new number hard to digest is a perfect example of anchoring>.

Previous estimates had put the number of Iraqi casualties at 30,000 to 50,000. Once that number was anchored in people's minds, it was a foregone conclusion that most people would find it very difficult to accept a much larger number.

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Monday, October 16, 2006

Leadership Race Continues... (0)  

Iggy said something about not knowing where Rae stands on the Afghanistan mission. But then Rae said that's pretty rich coming from a guy who changed his mind on the Middle East three times in a week. Did not, said Ignatieff. Did too, said Rae. At that exact moment, though he was hundreds of miles away, Stephen Harper paused at what he was doing, shivered slightly and remarked: “Suddenly, I feel incredibly horny.”

By the way, Ignatieff says he will travel to Israel next month to learn more about the missile attack that he first said he wasn't losing sleep over, then declared a war crime, and - judging from this pattern - will soon describe as his favourite episode of Sanford & Son.
From my new favourite political blog/podcast, Scott Feschuk's Weekday Update.

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Wednesday, August 16, 2006

US of A (0)  

You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.
Charles Austin Beard
US historian (1874 - 1948)
Watching Fox News prompted that quote above; I honestly have no idea how this country will vote in November's midterm or in '08. I guess it depends on how many terror alerts there are in the run-up.

That aside, I really do love coming down to the US to visit. I'd really like to live in NYC. Someday...

And I had White Castle again. It's becoming less of a pilgrimage and more of a sickness I think. Still, new flavours of chicken rings for a limited time!

I'll toss some pictures up when I get back.

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Wednesday, July 26, 2006

With Friends Like These... (0)  

"We want to find out why this United Nations post was attacked and also why it remained manned during what is now, more or less, a war during obvious danger to these individuals."
- Stephen Harper

What an incredible piece of bullshit.

Guess what Steve. National Defence Headquarters knew there was a Canadian in that interim force and had the authority to withdraw him at any time. So, since you seem to know so much about such things, why didn't you order all Canadian members of UNIFIL out of Lebanon?

...

Think for a minute what Harper would have said if Hezbollah had hit a UN observation post, accidentally or otherwise. Imagine Harper's response, even if, after the event, Hezbollah stated that they had no intention of hitting a UN post and apologized. Do you think you would hear Harper saying, "I doubt it was intentional."?

Yeah right.


My only real problem with this Galloping Beaver post is that the author derides Harper for taking sides with Israel again. It's fine, you can take sides with countries. Especially one of our free trade partners. You should take sides in many cases. I did think of two notable exceptions:
  • Your country typically positions itself as a mediator; or

  • Your citizens are dying as a result of your "trading partner's" assaults.
With both of those scenarios, Canada should not be taking the stance that Harper is currently maintaining.

As an aside, I had a question. By all accounts this current conflict can be traced back to Hezbollah* kidnapping two Israeli soldiers. Since when are attacks on military targets "acts of terrorism"?

I've also updated the Independent's cover from July 21 to reflect current situation. [via kottke]
The Independent (cover, July 21, 2006) [modified]


In trying to establish the consensus on the spelling of Hezbollah, I ran a quick comparison through Google Trends.
Hizbollah/Hezbollah trends

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Monday, July 17, 2006

melancholy (0)  

Boingboing linked to this Spike Jonze produced campaign video for Al Gore in 1999. It's available through google video.



It brought back the feelings I had after watching Going Upriver.

The citizens of the United States had a rare opportunity to elect two excellent candidates and both times they chose Dubya.

That means either I am, or ~51% of Americans are, a bad judge of character.

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Wednesday, June 14, 2006

Asymmetrical Warfare (0)  

But what they won't tell you is that they only committed suicide as part of a diabolical ruse to trick the world into thinking our secret torture camp is the kind of secret torture camp that drives its prisoners to commit suicide!
From Fafblog! via BoingBoing

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Thursday, May 25, 2006

Other Shoe Drops? (6)  

No aspect of responsible government is more fundamental than having the trust of citizens. Canadians' faith in the institutions and practices of government has been eroded. This new government trusts in the Canadian people, and its goal is that Canadians will once again trust in their government. It is time for accountability.

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Effective checks and balances are important, but they are not enough. The trust of citizens must be earned every day. The Government will work to earn that trust.


Stephen Harper doesn't care about national journalists.


"Unfortunately, the press gallery has taken the view they are going to be the opposition to the government," Mr. Harper told London's A-Channel.

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The prime minister does not want to hold press conferences unless his staff choose which journalists ask questions from a list they compile. The Ottawa press gallery has refused to play by those rules.


Is that what transparency and accountability looks like? Silencing opposition and hand picking friendly media?

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KevyKev said...

One could argue that the ottawa press gallery is just as 'unaccountable,' if not more so than Harper's PMO in this instance. Today, reporters still have the opportunity to ask questions as long as they file their names first with the PMO. Newspapers haven't been nationalized; television stations have not been shut down. This is not censorship. Harper is simply identifying that the press gallery has been far too cozy with the Liberal government of the past 15 years and may therefore present some explicit and implicit biases in the methods of their reporting and choosing who asks the questions ... one could argue.

Mulroney did something very similar in 84, as did Chretien in 93. Edit  

Joe Blarnystone said...

Since when were the press nice to the liberals? I think the Canadian press bitch out all politicians, and that is the way it should be. Edit  

horn said...

Preface: I know you bookended your comment with "one" to simply play the devil's advocate. No "one" in their right mind would believe that above argument. But I'll bite. Also, what follows, is my opinion.

A.) The Government is accountable to the people.

"One" could argue that you're just as unaccountable as the press gallery. And you are. So am I. But nobody cares. Because you're not the democratically elected government.

Holding the media to the same yardstick as the Prime Minister is crazy. Yes they should be held accountable, but it's of a different measure.

And, even if, as "one" might claim, that there is a big and little "L" agenda behind the media, that doesn't invalidate the questioning.

B.) There hasn't been a documented identifiable bias.

It's nice to wash that away with the lazy phrase that Harper is "simply identifying that the press gallery has been far too cozy with the Liberal government...". Tough questions are asked and PMs throughout the ages have felt threatened with the press and claimed "they" were out to get them.

As a sidebar:

CanWest media mogul David Asper, an avowed Harper cheerleader who (much to the horror of the journalists on his payroll) refers to the Conservative Party as "us," blew a head-gasket in the pages of his National Post, accusing opposition MPs of thwarting democratic reform.
Anyhoo...I'm not sure what you're referring to when you (or "one," rather,) said Mulroney did something similar in '84. (a reference to Kinsella's piece on the Post blog says it was '83 whilst Bri-Bri was in the opposition, so it already doesn't seem "very similar")

However, Mark Entwistle, Mulroney's press secretary, seems to have a problem with what Harper is doing: Even Brian Mulroney met the national press." (Here's some fodder for the "quotes out of context" response "one" might generate)
"Mr. [Paul] Martin's people thought that the media were against them in the last federal election and that their coverage helped elect Mr. Harper"

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"But Stephen Harper's approach to his hostility to the media is disquieting. And this is where he differs from his predecessors."

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"An open and transparent government is what Mr. Harper campaigned on. Like it or not, the national media are one of the means of ensuring that transparency."

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"I can't think of a prime minister who would have enjoyed meeting the press, with all its pitfalls, but it goes with the job."

C.) It is not the Prime Minister's duty to identify who has a bias in their reporting, and direct questions to only PMO-vetted journalists. Funnily enough that's not my idea; the notion of an independent media is strongly entrenched in Canadian culture.

Of course, "the list" would suggest otherwise. The PMO says they're "merely trying to install some order to the often chaotic ritual of parliamentary news scrums."
The fear among some reporters is that Mr. Harper would not recognize journalists who write stories that he considers negative.

"I'm sorry I don't think that's fair. Yes, he would," Ms. Stewart-Olsen [PM's Press Secretary] later told Hélène Buzzetti, a senior parliamentary reporter for Le Devoir and a former president of the national press gallery.
So then if he would be fair, what's the purpose of the list? Why would it be needed? FIFO works for every other bureaucratic process, why the need for such tight control if it's not for the purpose of preferential selection?

Harper is very clearly following the field-tested model the Bush Administration has managed over the past 6 years. Would "one" want more? I'd ignore the MSM links since there's an "obvious" bias, instead, I'll go to the bloggers. Or wait, would they have a bias too? Who should report things? It's all too much with this bickering and mudslinging; let me sit a spell.
Prolly the scariest thing I've read thus far is from Sandra Buckler, the PM's communications director:
"I don't think the average Canadian cares as long as they know their government is being well run."
I hope that's not true. The sycophants defending Harper's decision forget that there is both a very clear distinction AND relationship between an elected PM and a free press.

Perhaps a letter to the editor in today's [May 26] G&M summed it up best:
"If Paul Martin and Stephen Harper have both expressed the same complaint about the national press corps, then the national press corps must be doing something right."
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KevyKev said...

The following is my opinion. By the way, I don't disagree with any of those quotes that you included in your comment or original post.

All I'm saying is that I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Newspapers still print, TV and Radio still broadcasts. Reporters and media will still report all sides of a story because that's what they do in this country.

The press gallery in Ottawa no longer calls the shots on parliamentary reporting. Good. Reporters need to register with the PMO before being allowed to scrum or report after cabinet meetings. Alright. If you were PM, wouldn't you want to know if punks like me were going to ruin your press conferences? Now, if the current PM has some fairly harsh anti-right critics who might be drinking a little too much of their own koolaid to provide balanced coverage, don't you think the PMO wants to keep them away from official channels at parliament?

Maybe you don't. That's fine. All I know is that press is still free in this country. Relax.

Funny, something you said about PMO-vetted journalists. Paul Wells registered with the PMO's list. He certainly isn't any fan of Harper, or any politician for that matter. How could he possibly be called 'vetted?' It's a new order on the Hill. Reporters sign the list, or they're not allowed to report there. Big deal. Get over it. Edit  

horn said...

That's precisely the big deal. Maybe I'm missing the point: Why the list?

It's not to keep the riff-raff out as you suggest, that's already handled by the media credentials and security checks that were in place before.

It's not to stifle perceived anti-Conservative reporters according to the PMO.

The press gallery has repeatedly said that to make it more orderly, they would line up at a mic, going one at a time, first-in, first-out.

So what's the purpose?

You say just sign the list, big deal. Well I think we, as a free and democratic society, should abhor lists created for the sake of lists.

By actively picking and choosing who speaks when, the PM is influencing the media.

You said: "don't you think the PMO wants to keep them away from official channels at parliament?"

That's exactly my point. Who is the PM to decide who is worthy of getting information from official channels? If you're a Canadian citizen, you have the same rights as every other citizen.

And don't suggest nonsense like national security warrants secrecy from citizens. This isn't of national security, there is no need for additional secrecy.

Let me spell it out one more time:
Having the Prime Minister of Canada selectively choosing who can ask questions of the Prime Minister of Canada, necessarily limits the freedom of the press. Edit  

horn said...

From Paul Well's blog; not exactly a ringing endorsement of the list.

"I'm about ready to give up and sign up for the prime minister's stupid lists."
I'll agree isn't a "big deal" in the scale of national events that are going unreported because of this event, but it's certainly not something that should be dismissed lightly. If you think it's simply changing the colour of a pen, you're sadly mistaken. There is a message behind this change.

[Also, I'm trying to create a new cliche: Not simply changing the colour of a pen -- Undervaluing the magnitude of a change. -- origins: when the PM required a signup list, it's not as though he was simply changing the colour of the pen; there wasn't a list before and he was bringing it into existence] Edit  

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Friday, May 05, 2006

Inept[itude] (0)  

Okay...maybe I'm not seeing the full picture, but the latest salvo from the US military "information" machine is, well, what's the word? Insane.

The US military found some propaganda of Zarqawi's and they've used some bits of it to mock him. Seems like that's a clever thing to do. Use their own words and actions against them. Kinda like how the Daily Show skewers the Bush Administration.

But this NY Times piece gave me pause:
In releasing the outtakes, the American military sought to show that Mr. Zarqawi is a phony who cannot even fire a basic infantry weapon without help and who walks around the desert in comfortable Western jogging shoes.

"What you saw on the Internet was what he wanted the world to see," General Lynch said. "Look at me, I'm a capable leader of a capable organization, and we are indeed declaring war against democracy inside of Iraq, and we're going to establish an Islamic caliphate."

"What he didn't show you were the clips that I showed, wearing New Balance sneakers with his uniform, surrounded by supposedly competent subordinates who grab the hot barrel of a just-fired machine gun," he said.

"We have a warrior leader, Zarqawi, who doesn't understand how to operate his weapon system and has to rely on his subordinates to clear a weapon stoppage," the general said. "It makes you wonder."

They're giving me the mental image of an inspector Clouseau-esque, bumbling terrorist, barely able to hold a rifle; This is who the highly trained US military is fighting? And they can't restore order?

Maybe he's not the best shot but he's clearly been able to avoid capture for over 3 years. The US declared "Mission Accomplished" but lost hundreds of men since then due to Zarqawi's leadership/training/recruitment/whatever.

Demonizing your enemy is one thing. It makes it much easier for the enlisted men to feel comfortable killing when you see your enemy that way. But to portray him as little more than a comical weeble-wobble seems counter-productive. It just highlights your own inadequacies.

And just imagine if an outtake reel of Bush was ever found...

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Monday, March 27, 2006

The Igznock (12)  

It's interesting to see how the various contradictory stances Ignatieff has taken over the years provides so many reasons to detest the idea of him as the future PM.

I started reading Ahab's Whale a while back and I like how they approach Canadian politics and Guinness with equal enthusiasm. In any case, James has thrown his hat in Ignatieff's ring and he's critiqued Warren Kinsella's post today regarding Ignatieff's recent article in Prospect Magazine on torture. I do think Kinsella has taken Ignatieff out of context. In context, I think the message is even worse. I believe Ignatieff tacitly supports torture through clever doublespeak about "coercive interrogation" and suggesting that he's willing to pay the price of foregoing torture but BOO! there might be another terrorist attack.
Those of us who oppose torture should also be honest enough to admit that we may have to pay a price for our own convictions. Ex ante, of course, I cannot tell how high this price might be. Ex post——following another terrorist attack that might have been prevented through the exercise of coercive interrogation—the price of my scruple might simply seem too high. This is a risk I am prepared to take, but frankly, a majority of fellow citizens is unlikely to concur.
Yes Michael, you're very moral and very good and the price of your scruple is very likely not going to be borne by you. Like I've said before, if you're going to "advocate" torture, or in this case, we're calling it "coercive interrogation," then you should experience it yourself. McCain has; and he calls for an all-out ban. I object to it on more conventional grounds.
From a November 21, 2005 Newsweek article McCain writes:
Some view more coercive interrogation tactics as something short of torture but worry that they might be subject to challenge under the "no cruel, inhumane or degrading" standard. Others, including me, believe that both the prohibition on torture and the cruel, inhumane and degrading standard must remain intact. When we relax that standard, it is nearly unavoidable that some objectionable practices will be allowed as something less than torture because they do not risk life and limb or do not cause very serious physical pain.

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Those who argue the necessity of some abuses raise an important dilemma as their most compelling rationale: the ticking-time-bomb scenario. What do we do if we capture a terrorist who we have sound reasons to believe possesses specific knowledge of an imminent terrorist attack?

In such an urgent and rare instance, an interrogator might well try extreme measures to extract information that could save lives. Should he do so, and thereby save an American city or prevent another 9/11, authorities and the public would surely take this into account when judging his actions and recognize the extremely dire situation which he confronted.

But I don't believe this scenario requires us to write into law an exception to our treaty and moral obligations that would permit cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment. To carve out legal exemptions to this basic principle of human rights risks opening the door to abuse as a matter of course, rather than a standard violated truly in extremis.

It is far better to embrace a standard that might be violated in extraordinary circumstances than to lower our standards to accommodate a remote contingency, confusing personnel in the field and sending precisely the wrong message abroad about America's purposes and practices.

I just reread through the two main articles I referred to and found this comparison revealing.

Ignatieff:
I submit that we would not be "waterboarding" Khalid Sheikh Mohammed—immersing him in water until he experiences the torment of nearly drowning—if our intelligence operatives did not believe it was necessary to crack open the al Qaeda network that he commanded. Indeed, Mark Bowden points to a Time report in March 2003 that Sheikh Mohammed had "given US interrogators the names and descriptions of about a dozen key al Qaeda operatives believed to be plotting terrorist attacks." We must at least entertain the possibility that the operatives working on Sheikh Mohammed in our name are engaging not in gratuitous sadism but in the genuine belief that this form of torture—and it does qualify as such—makes all the difference.

McCain:
[T]here has been considerable press attention to a tactic called "waterboarding," where a prisoner is restrained and blindfolded while an interrogator pours water on his face and into his mouth—causing the prisoner to believe he is being drowned. He isn't, of course; there is no intention to injure him physically. But if you gave people who have suffered abuse as prisoners a choice between a beating and a mock execution, many, including me, would choose a beating. The effects of most beatings heal. The memory of an execution will haunt someone for a very long time and damage his or her psyche in ways that may never heal. In my view, to make someone believe that you are killing him by drowning is no different than holding a pistol to his head and firing a blank. I believe that it is torture, very exquisite torture.
Obviously, to defeat our enemies we need intelligence, but intelligence that is reliable. We should not torture or treat inhumanely terrorists we have captured. The abuse of prisoners harms, not helps, our war effort. In my experience, abuse of prisoners often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear—whether it is true or false—if he believes it will relieve his suffering. [...] It seems probable to me that the terrorists we interrogate under less than humane standards of treatment are also likely to resort to deceptive answers that are perhaps less provably false than that which I once offered.

Both agree it's torture, but one thinks it gets results and the other doesn't. One has lived a comfortable academic life and the other has actually been tortured.

Alright, this is far too long, with way too many quotes. No one's gonna read this in it's entirety but Kev prolly, but oh well. It's done.

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horn said...

I'm not sure why I titled the post the way I did. I wish it had more meaning, but long story short: I was listening to Choclair. Maybe I could make up something about a deeper meaning of nonsense and doublespeak from a T.O. perspective. Edit  

David said...

I hear you Haran.
When you see M.I. in the club, say what up Igznock! Edit  

KevyKev said...

You're right, I did read the whole thing. And Iggy's article too.

Haran, give your head a shake. Your blinded by your own bias and - like Kinsella - missed the entire thesis of his article. Case and point, despite your pleas to the contrary, Ignatieff clearly defines the difference between coercive interrogation and torture. You carelessly dismiss the distinction as one in the same - a so-called doublespeak - in order to support YOUR objective of discrediting the author.

Let's just assume for a moment thouhg that he was employing doublespeak. You still missed the point. Even if "coervice interrogation" is just a PC way of describing torture, Ignatieff himself states that he opposes both:

"The issue is not, as Elshtain implies, that I care overmuch about my own moral purity but rather that I cannot see any clear way to manage coercive interrogation institutionally so that it does not degenerate into torture.

"... So I end up supporting an absolute and unconditional ban on both torture and those forms of coercive interrogation that involve stress and duress."

It's almost appears like you Ctrl-F'd his article searching for the words "torture" and "coercive" and used those sentences in isolation to build your argument without considering their place in context.

Haran, it's one thing to have an opinion and just say you dislike the guy. It's quite another to cite his works out of context in the guise of building a scholarly critique. I suggest you stick with the former. It's easier to do and nobody will ever argue that you're not entitled to your opinion!

Btw, I'm not a kool-aid drinker. I don't know who I'm supporting for the leadership yet. I don't think it will be Ignatieff though. Maybe I've read too much into Plato's Republic, but I have an intangible discomfort with putting intellectuals in the top positions of power. Edit  

horn said...

Kevin, now you've mischaracterized or mistaken my opinion for a scholarly critique. It is wholly my opinion. This isn't a published piece in Prospect Magazine. Everything I said was couched in "I believe" because, well, it is my belief. I have no formal background in this area, and this is my common sense derived, opined blog post.

"I suggest you stick with the former [opinion]." Thanks for the suggestion, it's already been implemented.

Is your response a scholarly critique? Or your opinion? I assumed it was an opinion but now I'm not sure as a result of your definition of scholarly critique.

If this is indeed a discussion of opinions, then I suggest it's you that needs to shake off some bias in your opinion. I didn't bring in the full context of Ignatieff's piece- with his NY Times piece on the "Lesser Evils" [mirrored here]- because I assumed some reader familiarity with him if they read my whole post (or they would have ignored the post entirely).

Sticking too firmly to the rule of law simply allows terrorists too much leeway to exploit our freedoms. Abandoning the rule of law altogether betrays our most valued institutions. To defeat evil, we may have to traffic in evils: indefinite detention of suspects, coercive interrogations, targeted assassinations, even pre-emptive war. These are evils because each strays from national and international law and because they kill people or deprive them of freedom without due process. They can be justified only because they prevent the greater evil. The question is not whether we should be trafficking in lesser evils but whether we can keep lesser evils under the control of free institutions. [Lesser Evils]
Can we keep the lesser evils under control? From his Prospect article he suggests that we can't. So he says he now believes in an outright ban.
To keep faith with this commitment, we need a presidential order or Congressional legislation that defines exactly what constitutes acceptable degrees of coercive interrogation. Here we are deep into lesser-evil territory. Permissible duress might include forms of sleep deprivation that do not result in lasting harm to mental or physical health, together with disinformation and disorientation (like keeping prisoners in hoods) that would produce stress. What crosses the line into the impermissible would be any physical coercion or abuse, any involuntary use of drugs or serums, any withholding of necessary medicines or basic food, water and essential rest. [Lesser Evils]
From the McCain article, the Senator suggests that psychological trauma can be more lasting and painful than physical abuse. Where is this line between coercive interrogation and torture. You say Ignatieff delineated it clearly. Is it here? "I have practical difficulty enumerating a list of coercive techniques that I would be willing to have a democratic society inflict in my name."[If torture works...]

The point I got out of If torture works... is that he suggests it's a slippery slope between coercive interrogation and torture. Why does he need to make this distinction if he's against it both absolutely? Because of what he says in Lesser Evils.

He continues in section VII of Lesser Evils, "Controlling the President", which follows directly after section VI's "Torture" by stating that:
Keeping the president under democratic control is not going to be easy. The dilemmas here are best illustrated by looking closely at pre-emptive war. It is a lesser evil because, according to our traditional understanding of war, the only justified resort to war is a response to actual aggression. But those standards are outdated. They were conceived for wars against states and their armies, not for wars against terrorists and suicide bombers. Against this kind of enemy, everyone can see that instead of waiting for terrorists to hit us, it makes sense to get our retaliation in first. The problem with pre-emption is keeping the president's war power under democratic control.
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A war on terror, declared against a global enemy, with no clear end in sight, raises the prospect of an out-of-control presidency. As we learned in the run-up to the war in Iraq, the case for a pre-emptive war is always bound to be speculative, based on doubtful intelligence that will be hard for either an electorate or its representatives, let alone the bureaucracy, to assess for credibility" [Lesser Evils]
I'm sorry, everyone except the US Government and Michael Ignatieff was able to assess it for credibility. I do not trust him for that point alone, but that's not the reason why I had an issue with his Prospect piece.
Even those -- like me -- who supported the Iraq war because it might bring freedom and democracy to people who had been gassed, tortured and killed for 30 years had better admit that if our grounds for war had been squarely put to the American people, they probably would have voted to stay home. [Lesser Evils]
I believe you've lost credibility when you say that you need accountability in declarations of pre-emptive war, AFTER you've acknowledged your support for a pre-emptive war. I believe politicians whose ideologies I tend to agree with are the ones that were outspoken from the beginning. I believe this is an indication that Ignatieff has shifting purposes for many of his controversial ideas. Maybe this is the "bias" you suggested, regarding my views, on M.I.'s views, on torture.
A lesser-evil approach permits preventive detention, where subject to judicial review; coercive interrogation, where subject to executive control; pre-emptive strikes and assassination, where these serve publicly defensible strategic goals. But everything has to be subject to critical review by a free people: free debate, public discussion, Congressional review, in camera if need be, judicial review as a last resort. [Lesser Evils]
So he states that by adopting a "lesser-evil" approach that is subject to review we can exploit the benefits of "terrorist" tactics but still hold ourselves on our moral high ground. This, after he spent the article discussing how we can't properly review anything regarding this current war.

Which brings me back to his Prospect Magazine article If torture works.... It seems he's finally done trying to convince people that we can use coercive interrogation as long as we bring it into public scrutiny. Maybe because he's finally realized that it's a practical impossibility? I don't know.

My beef is with the way he tries to deliver the new message. I still hear Lesser Evils coming out of this article. He's careful in the way he chooses his words. He's careful so that if you look at the article on the face of it, yes, it looks clear cut. And I agree with a lot of what he's saying on the face of it in If torture works.... But when I do a little digging, when I bring a little context into it, I believe he's talking out the side of his mouth. I believe he's trying to suggest, "hey, I don't agree with torture, but if shit happens, don't look at me. I warned you." I think he's an opportunist for sure (see: Etobicoke-Lakeshore; rewriting his beliefs for upcoming elections), but more importantly, I think he's being disingenuous.

That's my opinion. Based on my interpretation. Of his words.

I would suggest that if you're going to be commenting on my opinions, that you approach the points in the opinion, and perhaps not what you believe is a bias, perceived techniques I may have used to construct my blog post, or any inability of mine, real or imagined, to critique effectively. I believe it ventures close to an ad hominem argument when you could likely attack the facts directly to point out weaknesses in what I have said.

That holds for both scholarly critiques and opinion pieces. Edit  

horn said...

NB: I edited your post to blockquote your quote.
Also, humourous that my comment is prolly longer than my original post. Brevity is not one of my strong points. Edit  

blogwatt said...

just so you guys know, I'm not reading all of that. though, I did catch the part about nobody reading all of it. other than that, the only part I agree with is the second half of dave's comment. Edit  

horn said...

Thanks for the insights Biddy; I just wanted to add another quote. From TDH Strategies blog (never heard of 'em before...I'm including it because it's interesting that two different people read M.I's missive and came up with very similar conclusions on the same day. Remember, this IS is in context; that of MI's articles to date):

Reading Ignatieff's long-winded views on counter-terrorism techniques is very frustrating, particularly because his obvious affinity for the benefits of selective torture is always buffered by his claims that he does not support its practice, nor the use of "coercive interrogation." He flirts with the issue masterfully, and yet always leaves himself an exit strategy to negate his critics.
So if you want to get caught up on the debate, that's essentially my point in a nutshell. Edit  

KevyKev said...

I liked the nutshell better... More concise.

To that end, I say he's an academic. Academics tend to find arguments for both/all sides of a debate to defend or attack a thesis. Politicians and media, on the other hand tend to opine by highlighting one perspective, one point of view: their's.

In the end, I don't think the man personally supports torture, nor coercive interrogation. Nor do I think he is particularly hawkish (compared to some of his contemporaries south of the border and in the Middle East). I do, however, think he is talented at arguing both points of view. He seems to find the rationale and virtue in things we may not personally support nor be too comfortable with. The world is not painted black and white; despite the racially charged culture content we are force fed from the US. There is a huge grey region where just and unjust, aggression and defence, righteousness and violence tend to collide and mix.

Do you want me to show my hand? Well, here it is. At this moment in time, I think Canada is in search of identity. Not since the likes of Trudeau - I would wager - has Canada had a leader that embodied a unified vision or identity. Whether that identity now comes from the political left, right, or centre is unknown to me. What I do suppose, however, is that this leadership renewal in the Liberal party - perhaps the first of its kind since Trudeau as well - is a good opportunity to find someone that may fit the bill. It might not be MI, but I'd much rather be open to incorporating some of his ideas in the debate than dismiss him completely out of visceral contempt.

I'll leave you with one last quote. Two guesses on who said it. Your first one doesn't count:

"If the fragile internationalism of the myth of human brotherhood has returned as a moral force in the modern world, it is because partial human solidarities - those of religion, ethnicity, and class - have dishonored themselves by the slaughter committed in their names."
Here's another one found in the New York Times on July 28, 2002:
"America's entire war on terror is an exercise in imperialism. This may come as a shock to Americans, who don't like to think of their country as an empire. But what else can you call America's legions of soldiers, spooks and special forces straddling the globe?"
And just for fun: "I ... love ... peace ... I ... love ... Canada." I'm sure he said it. I just took a bunch of words completely out of context from several different sources to create a quote that helps support my opinion! ; ) Edit  

KevyKev said...

Oh by the way:

"...particularly because his obvious affinity for the benefits of selective torture..."

Wasn't too obvious to me. I wish I could use rhetorical devices with such proficiency so that nobody would ever check the source to see if in fact it really was obvious. I wish... Edit  

horn said...

In the end it comes down to opinions, because you really can't draw out a side from his piece (in context of his body of work on the topic). Is that good for an academic? Sure. But is it good for a leader? No.

If he stuck to policy work, then wouldn't have a problem with him.

Regardless, he stated he supported an illegal war, and many believe he does support "coercive interrogation". You point out the rhetoric of "obvious affinity", but at the same time, I doubt you'd be able to nail down whether or not it's true. That's my problem with him. He's covering his own ass for every eventuality.

I don't mean that you should never examine more than one side of any problem. But when you're actually in charge of a country, decisions have to be made. It doesn't sit well with me if he can justify, or rationalize away, just about any course of action.

That, hell, combined with the fact that he parachutes in after 30 years of living in America, make it easier for me to believe he'd be a bad choice to lead Canada. Edit  

horn said...

Timely metafilter discussion. Hey Kev, I guess a lot of people seem to be "missing the point" when it comes to M.I. Or maybe this issue is not as clear cut as you suggest.

Update 04/01/06: This is crazy. New Internationalist Magazine has an article on M.I. that contains many of the buzzwords/cliches/phrases I used.

Michael Ignatieff, who calls himself a liberal and a human rights campaigner, is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[...]

His clever wordplay doesn't disguise a poor grasp of the facts. Reading Ignatieff's feature articles in the New York Times Magazine over the past four years, one discovers that the pompous professor is a bad student who doesn't actually learn from his own mistakes.

[...]

Ethnocentric and naïve as they may be, Ignatieff's delusional dreams of US nation-building aren't the worst he has to offer. There's also his fudging the question of torture.

[...]

Ignatieff's support for the global projection of US power may endanger his political ambitions in Canada, where people overwhelmingly oppose the Iraq war and continue to distrust Bush's imperial policies. When Canadians demand an explanation from Ignatieff, and tire of his longwinded and convoluted answers, someone may have to whisper to him: 'We're not at Harvard any more.'
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Mandy said...

hahaha I started reading, but then skimmed down to the end to at least read that last line. Sorry Horn, I tried :) but I thought that was funny. Edit  

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Tuesday, March 21, 2006

Rewriting History (0)  

There are so many horror stories that arise out of the current US Administration that it's hard to be shocked anymore. And yet I am once again. It's readily apparent that history is being rewritten, especially with respect to Iraq. A recent Time article highlights a recent example of this.

On the morning of Nov. 19, 2005, a roadside bomb struck a humvee carrying Marines from Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, on a road near Haditha, a restive town in western Iraq. The bomb killed Lance Corporal Miguel (T.J.) Terrazas, 20, from El Paso, Texas. The next day a Marine communique from Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi reported that Terrazas and 15 Iraqi civilians were killed by the blast and that "gunmen attacked the convoy with small-arms fire," prompting the Marines to return fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding one other.

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In January, after Time presented military officials in Baghdad with the Iraqis' accounts of the Marines' actions, the U.S. opened its own investigation [and] acknowledged that, contrary to the military's initial report, the 15 civilians killed on Nov. 19 died at the hands of the Marines, not the insurgents.

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According to Eman [Waleed, 9], the Marines then entered the living room. "I couldn't see their faces very well -—- only their guns sticking into the doorway. I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny."

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[Eman] still does not comprehend how, when her father went in to pray with the Koran for the family's safety, his prayers were not answered, as they had been so many times in the past. "He always prayed before, and the Americans left us alone," she says. Leaving, she grabs a handful of candy. "It's for my little brother," she says. "I have to take care of my brother. Nobody else is left."
[emphasis added]

That's the past. The present. What about tomorrow?

Hansen is arguably the world's leading researcher on global warming. He's the head of NASA's top institute studying the climate. But this imminent scientist tells correspondent Scott Pelley that the Bush administration is restricting who he can talk to and editing what he can say. Politicians, he says, are rewriting the science.

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"In my more than three decades in the government I've never witnessed such restrictions on the ability of scientists to communicate with the public," says Hansen.

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"If [a declining rate of growth of CO2 emissions] doesn't happen in 10 years, then I don'’t think we can keep global warming under one degree Celsius and that means we'’re going to, that there's a great danger of passing some of these tipping points. If the ice sheets begin to disintegrate, what can you do about it? You can'’t tie a rope around the ice sheet. You can'’t build a wall around the ice sheets. It will be a situation that is out of our control."

But that's not a situation you'll find in one federal report submitted for review. Government scientists wanted to tell you about the ice sheets, but before a draft of the report left the White House, the paragraph on glacial melt and flooding was crossed out and this was added: "straying from research strategy into speculative findings and musings here."
It's one thing to rewrite history; an independent media would have to expose the lies for it to become public knowledge.

But to rewrite the future?

Now that's a new level of arrogance.

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